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	<title>Comments on: Sigh. Urban Outfitters. Dogshit. Sigh.</title>
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		<title>By: David Croy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think that you are right when it comes to the work being “ugly”.&quot;
&gt;&gt; I didn&#039;t critique its ugliness or beauty. 

&quot;I see it as an experiment and a criticism&quot;
&gt;&gt; Sure, it&#039;s an experiment - if you reread the above, you&#039;ll see that I got nothing against that kind of approach. But it&#039;s an experiment that is stupid and that failed badly. 

Calling a failed experiment a &quot;critique&quot; is a pretty callow way out of criticism of the original failure. This is stock post-modernism: there are no rules/there is no truth, therefore there can be no criticism; and if the failure is too obvious to avoid, you can fall back on ironic distance (That&#039;s terrible. But it&#039;s new! But it&#039;s still terrible. Well, I didn&#039;t mean it in the first place, it was a critique of terribleness). That&#039;s one way to approach things, but it does nothing for me. 

&quot;Beauty is always subjective, but innovation (however odd or “ugly” it may seem), is still innovation.&quot;
&gt;&gt; If you reread the above, you&#039;ll see that I&#039;m not arguing beauty or ugliness; and I&#039;m not against innovation. 

But, innovation is not always a virtue. As seen above, the only goal was innovation (which is really pretty easy to achieve). Great, they succeeded in creating something new - they created something stupid and bad, but at least it&#039;s new. So it&#039;s new, big deal. It&#039;s also crap. 

David Carson successfully captured the energy of the new sport of snowboarding. It was great, innovative, stuff, but it also did work within that innovation. It wasn&#039;t just new, it communicated in a way that this kind of shit does not. Not many people can really pull off pure style, but he was certainly one of &#039;em. 

Stefan Sagmeister has never made anything that I cared about at all. It all seems like a first year design student&#039;s first idea. I guess we could applaud him for retaining a kind of naive energy, but it would be (to my mind) exactly the same amount of applause we would give to a first year design student: not much. 

In short, novelty is easy and we shouldn&#039;t put too much emphasis on it. Novelty for its own sake is design up its own asshole (q.v. Sagmeister), and nobody needs that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that you are right when it comes to the work being “ugly”.&#8221;<br />
&gt;&gt; I didn&#8217;t critique its ugliness or beauty. </p>
<p>&#8220;I see it as an experiment and a criticism&#8221;<br />
&gt;&gt; Sure, it&#8217;s an experiment &#8211; if you reread the above, you&#8217;ll see that I got nothing against that kind of approach. But it&#8217;s an experiment that is stupid and that failed badly. </p>
<p>Calling a failed experiment a &#8220;critique&#8221; is a pretty callow way out of criticism of the original failure. This is stock post-modernism: there are no rules/there is no truth, therefore there can be no criticism; and if the failure is too obvious to avoid, you can fall back on ironic distance (That&#8217;s terrible. But it&#8217;s new! But it&#8217;s still terrible. Well, I didn&#8217;t mean it in the first place, it was a critique of terribleness). That&#8217;s one way to approach things, but it does nothing for me. </p>
<p>&#8220;Beauty is always subjective, but innovation (however odd or “ugly” it may seem), is still innovation.&#8221;<br />
&gt;&gt; If you reread the above, you&#8217;ll see that I&#8217;m not arguing beauty or ugliness; and I&#8217;m not against innovation. </p>
<p>But, innovation is not always a virtue. As seen above, the only goal was innovation (which is really pretty easy to achieve). Great, they succeeded in creating something new &#8211; they created something stupid and bad, but at least it&#8217;s new. So it&#8217;s new, big deal. It&#8217;s also crap. </p>
<p>David Carson successfully captured the energy of the new sport of snowboarding. It was great, innovative, stuff, but it also did work within that innovation. It wasn&#8217;t just new, it communicated in a way that this kind of shit does not. Not many people can really pull off pure style, but he was certainly one of &#8216;em. </p>
<p>Stefan Sagmeister has never made anything that I cared about at all. It all seems like a first year design student&#8217;s first idea. I guess we could applaud him for retaining a kind of naive energy, but it would be (to my mind) exactly the same amount of applause we would give to a first year design student: not much. </p>
<p>In short, novelty is easy and we shouldn&#8217;t put too much emphasis on it. Novelty for its own sake is design up its own asshole (q.v. Sagmeister), and nobody needs that.</p>
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		<title>By: gabferreira91</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that you are right when it comes to the work being &quot;ugly&quot;. However, what it seems you&#039;ve failed to understand is that many of designers graduating from that program can also design for the market, which can become tedious if that is all you are doing. The Yale website isn&#039;t trying to look good, it&#039;s trying do something new; I see it as an experiment and a criticism of what happens when one project falls in the hands of too many people. Beauty is always subjective, but innovation (however odd or &quot;ugly&quot; it may seem), is still innovation. If you look back in time, the designers that have made history and contributed to our profession were the ones who attempted something new, even if what they were doing was ostracized by &quot;professionals&quot; and labeled as non-design. Remember David Carson? Remember Stefan Sagmeister? These are all people who know how to design to communicate, from corporate to outrageous, but chose to go an extra mile in an attempt to create something the world had not seen before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you are right when it comes to the work being &#8220;ugly&#8221;. However, what it seems you&#8217;ve failed to understand is that many of designers graduating from that program can also design for the market, which can become tedious if that is all you are doing. The Yale website isn&#8217;t trying to look good, it&#8217;s trying do something new; I see it as an experiment and a criticism of what happens when one project falls in the hands of too many people. Beauty is always subjective, but innovation (however odd or &#8220;ugly&#8221; it may seem), is still innovation. If you look back in time, the designers that have made history and contributed to our profession were the ones who attempted something new, even if what they were doing was ostracized by &#8220;professionals&#8221; and labeled as non-design. Remember David Carson? Remember Stefan Sagmeister? These are all people who know how to design to communicate, from corporate to outrageous, but chose to go an extra mile in an attempt to create something the world had not seen before.</p>
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		<title>By: kelmil</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is honestly the best thing I have read in regards to design criticism in so long. You nailed it, this is coming from a grad of Cranbrook which could arguably be substituted for the word Yale in several of these sentences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is honestly the best thing I have read in regards to design criticism in so long. You nailed it, this is coming from a grad of Cranbrook which could arguably be substituted for the word Yale in several of these sentences.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good lord, that UO logo is a train wreck. Really hard to figure how one ends up there. And by all means, I can always get behind a brutal strafing of Yale!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, that UO logo is a train wreck. Really hard to figure how one ends up there. And by all means, I can always get behind a brutal strafing of Yale!</p>
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